Posts by Doug Mason

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Secondary fulfilment to prophecy?

by Doug Mason in

in its use of the prophecy contained in nebuchadnezzar's dream (daniel 4), the wts applies a "greater fulfilment" beyond its initial application.. while they complain about the wts's action, at the same time these people make their own secondary applications to prophecies, such as with micah 5:2. these people also find "greater" meaning to historical statements, such as at isaiah 9:6 and at isaiah 53.. such passages had their local meaning yet people are prepared to find their "greater application" which suits their ends, just as the wts does.

it is not an excuse to say that the nt writers indulged themselves in the practice.. i am not saying that i agree with the practice; i am simply seeking consistency and integrity.. doug.

Doug Mason

alanv,

Yes, and this reapplication is prominent throughout the Gospels, notably Matthew, as well as by Paul.

Doug

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Secondary fulfilment to prophecy?

by Doug Mason in

in its use of the prophecy contained in nebuchadnezzar's dream (daniel 4), the wts applies a "greater fulfilment" beyond its initial application.. while they complain about the wts's action, at the same time these people make their own secondary applications to prophecies, such as with micah 5:2. these people also find "greater" meaning to historical statements, such as at isaiah 9:6 and at isaiah 53.. such passages had their local meaning yet people are prepared to find their "greater application" which suits their ends, just as the wts does.

it is not an excuse to say that the nt writers indulged themselves in the practice.. i am not saying that i agree with the practice; i am simply seeking consistency and integrity.. doug.

Doug Mason

I must say that I am deeply impressed by everybody's contribution. Thank you.

Mac48, as for your thoughts, although I have my reservations at this stage, I would like to offer you some suggestions that might remove some mental roadblocks.

The book of Daniel as we have it comes from the second century BCE. The preceding centuries witnessed the rise of apocalypticism, so inform yourself about the contemporary times (1 Enoch, Jubilees, Dead Sea community, in particular). That period was also responsible for the creation of an evil spirit world, including their leader, known as Belial / Beliar / Mastema / Azazel / Satan, etc. The LXX took over the Greek diabolos / Devil. Later, the NT writers created demons. This period also invented a War inside Heaven(!).

Regarding the numbers, do not be distracted by modern mathematics, particularly with its focus on positional notation. Rather, work through their ideas of Gematria, Kabbalah, and so on ("the number of his name", etc.), in other words, the spiritual meanings given to numbers.

There is a consensus that when the 2nd century CE writers compiled the Book of Daniel for their own immediate needs, that they did not get the history precisely correct in the way that we would understand history. The Hebrews and the Jews created stories in order to give meaning to their own situation. It is thus thought that they reapplied Nabonidus' ten year absence from Babylon in Tema, as it suited their objective regarding Antiochus. Taken in sequence, chapters 2, 3 and 4 of Daniel show that the mighty, who think their kingdom will last forever, will all be humbled.

As for the Johannine community that wrote, Revelation, that is another separate exercise which has to look at their own situation and approaches.

My thoughts on the dream, which I hope to start another Thread with: https://jwstudies.com/Daniel_4_and_1914.pdf

Doug

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Secondary fulfilment to prophecy?

by Doug Mason in

in its use of the prophecy contained in nebuchadnezzar's dream (daniel 4), the wts applies a "greater fulfilment" beyond its initial application.. while they complain about the wts's action, at the same time these people make their own secondary applications to prophecies, such as with micah 5:2. these people also find "greater" meaning to historical statements, such as at isaiah 9:6 and at isaiah 53.. such passages had their local meaning yet people are prepared to find their "greater application" which suits their ends, just as the wts does.

it is not an excuse to say that the nt writers indulged themselves in the practice.. i am not saying that i agree with the practice; i am simply seeking consistency and integrity.. doug.

Doug Mason

In its use of the prophecy contained in Nebuchadnezzar's dream (Daniel 4), the WTS applies a "greater fulfilment" beyond its initial application.

While they complain about the WTS's action, at the same time these people make their own secondary applications to prophecies, such as with Micah 5:2. These people also find "greater" meaning to historical statements, such as at Isaiah 9:6 and at Isaiah 53.

Such passages had their local meaning yet people are prepared to find their "greater application" which suits their ends, just as the WTS does. It is not an excuse to say that the NT writers indulged themselves in the practice.

I am not saying that I agree with the practice; I am simply seeking consistency and integrity.

Doug

Alexandre Meinesz updated

by Doug Mason in

i have updated my discussion on alexandre meiniesz in my critique, "the origin of life, using scientists".. the name of the document remains: https://jwstudies.com/the_origin_of_life__scientists.pdf .

for convenience, i have also provided the update as a separate file:.

https://jwstudies.com/alexandre_meinesz_restrucured.pdf .

Doug Mason

I have updated my discussion on Alexandre Meiniesz in my critique, "The Origin of Life, Using Scientists".

The name of the document remains: https://jwstudies.com/The_Origin_of_Life__Scientists.pdf

For convenience, I have also provided the update as a separate file:

https://jwstudies.com/Alexandre_Meinesz_restrucured.pdf

Doug

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A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

by Doug Mason in

i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

Doug Mason

I am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book. I am simply saying that I stumbled across it. I have neither read it nor studied it.

Search with: The Name of God Y.eH.oW.aH Which is Pronounced as it is Written I Eh oU Ah Its Story GÉRARD GERTOUX

A search will find a free simplified version at Academia.edu and a Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjpGXSyIqTc

https://www.dreilindenfilm.de/shop/der-name-gottes_en.html

My current opinion is that prior to 70 CE the Sadducees operated the Jerusalem temple and those priests became to only people who could utter God's Holy Name on certain occasions. When the temple was destroyed, the Sadducees and their rituals ceased, to be overtaken in time by Rabbinic Judaism.

Doug

" The Origin of Life" -- Using Scientists

by Doug Mason in

i am providing version 1 of my critique of the brochure: "the origin of life" -- using scientists".. i appreciate the responses that i received to the pre-draft versions.. the critique looks at how the brochure uses its scientific sources.

i am concerned with whether it is honest or dishonest.. there are a few places where i have difficulty locating a source and your help will be appreciated.. as always, let me know the corrections (technical or grammatical), additions, suggestions and so on.. https://jwstudies.com/the_origin_of_life__scientists.pdf .

i am not concerned whether the brochure's information regarding evolution is technically correct or adequate.

Doug Mason

I am providing Version 1 of my Critique of the brochure: "the Origin of Life" -- Using Scientists".

I appreciate the responses that I received to the pre-draft Versions.

The Critique looks at how the brochure uses its scientific sources. I am concerned with whether it is honest or dishonest.

There are a few places where I have difficulty locating a source and your help will be appreciated.

As always, let me know the corrections (technical or grammatical), additions, suggestions and so on.

https://jwstudies.com/The_Origin_of_Life__Scientists.pdf

I am not concerned whether the brochure's information regarding evolution is technically correct or adequate. That will be discussed in the forthcoming Critique (no time frame for that at present). If you can help me with the planned Critique, please contact me directly by email. People can tell you that I never break confidences unless I am specifically instructed to do so.

Doug

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"The Origin of Life" -- Using Scientists

by Doug Mason in

i am providing version 1 of my critique of the brochure: "the origin of life" -- using scientists".. i appreciate the responses that i received to the pre-draft versions.. the critique looks at how the brochure uses its scientific sources.

i am concerned with whether it is honest or dishonest.. there are a few places where i have difficulty locating a source and your help will be appreciated.. as always, let me know the corrections (technical or grammatical), additions, suggestions and so on.. https://jwstudies.com/the_origin_of_life__scientists.pdf .

i am not concerned whether the brochure's information regarding evolution is technically correct or adequate.

Doug Mason

Keinlezard!

Brilliant! Thank you.

I will investigate and update my Critique accordingly. I would appreciate you contacting me directly by email so that I can check with you that I have translated the French correctly and that I have presented him correctly.

I located a few minor adjustments I needed to make to my initial Version 1. No doubt few will notice these, but I have called it Version 2.

Doug

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"The Origin of Life" -- Using Scientists

by Doug Mason in

i am providing version 1 of my critique of the brochure: "the origin of life" -- using scientists".. i appreciate the responses that i received to the pre-draft versions.. the critique looks at how the brochure uses its scientific sources.

i am concerned with whether it is honest or dishonest.. there are a few places where i have difficulty locating a source and your help will be appreciated.. as always, let me know the corrections (technical or grammatical), additions, suggestions and so on.. https://jwstudies.com/the_origin_of_life__scientists.pdf .

i am not concerned whether the brochure's information regarding evolution is technically correct or adequate.

Doug Mason

Last evening, three times I tried unsuccessfully to start this Thread. Hence my abbreviated attempt that followed this morning. Now, this one has appeared after my later one appeared.

Simply explaining the duplication.

I prefer that this one be retained.

Doug

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"The Origin of Life" -- Using Scientists

by Doug Mason in

i am providing version 1 of my critique of the brochure: "the origin of life" -- using scientists".. i appreciate the responses that i received to the pre-draft versions.. the critique looks at how the brochure uses its scientific sources.

i am concerned with whether it is honest or dishonest.. there are a few places where i have difficulty locating a source and your help will be appreciated.. as always, let me know the corrections (technical or grammatical), additions, suggestions and so on.. https://jwstudies.com/the_origin_of_life__scientists.pdf .

i am not concerned whether the brochure's information regarding evolution is technically correct or adequate.

Doug Mason

I am providing Version 1 of my Critique of the brochure: "the Origin of Life" -- Using Scientists".

I appreciate the responses that I received to the pre-draft Versions.

The Critique looks at how the brochure uses its scientific sources. I am concerned with whether it is honest or dishonest.

There are a few places where I have difficulty locating a source and your help will be appreciated.

As always, let me know the corrections (technical or grammatical), additions, suggestions and so on.

https://jwstudies.com/The_Origin_of_Life__Scientists.pdf

I am not concerned whether the brochure's information regarding evolution is technically correct or adequate. That will be discussed in the forthcoming Critique (no time frame for that at present). If you can help me with the planned Critique, please contact me directly by email. People can tell you that I never break confidences unless I am specifically instructed to do so.

Doug

The Origin of Life Using Scientists

by Doug Mason in

my critique of the way that the watchtower's brochure, "the origin of life" uses scientists is freely available at:.

https://jwstudies.com/the_origin_of_life__scientists.pdf .

doug.

Doug Mason

My Critique of the way that the Watchtower's brochure, "The Origin of Life" uses scientists is freely available at:

https://jwstudies.com/The_Origin_of_Life__Scientists.pdf

Doug